odds and ends

[meretricula]

I did make a post about Barça Femenino over at _fcbarcelona_, if anyone would like to check it out! I want to get some more stuff translated and find more pictures before I post to my journal, though.

I don't think I ever mentioned that I was reccing Barça fic for crack_van last month, did I? well, anyway, those recs are up too under the rpf: professional athlete tag if you want to take a look. I don't think there's anything in there that I haven't recced in some capacity before, but still. (just, um, ignore any recs in that tag that aren't by me. or don't, feel free to check them out! but they're not my endorsements, so I take zero responsibility for them.)

still thinking about creating a vids section to the football rec post. I don't know. there's not that many half-decent vids out there, and I have most of them saved to my computer, so it wouldn't be hard, it's just that I can't be objective and I'm not sure if that matters. I'll read fic about people I don't know; I'll read fic about people I hate. I really can't watch vids of them. (and I will watch really terrible vids of people I love. case in point: you have no idea how many times I have watched that.)

speaking of things I hate: look, as a general rule I don't hate teams. for the most part I try not to care about teams other than my own one way or the other. I'll root for the underdog against Bayern Munich or Manchester United (and when they drop points my teams are safer, so there's that too), but I don't hate them. there are players that I like on both teams. and yes, I sure as hell hate Madrid, but not because they're Barcelona's rival and cules are supposed to blindly despise them; I hate them because they stepped on Leo and shoved Puyi in the face and tried to break Cesc's leg and point-blank accused Pep of cheating to win the Champions League and have never been the least bit sorry for any of it. (and their president is an idiot, but you can't really hold that against anyone.) but it really has reached the point where I hate Liverpool. I hate them, I hope they lose every game they play, and unless they ship Luis Suarez out to Russia I will never respect them again. I would rather they lose to Manchester United than win.

I know some of you guys are Liverpool fans, and I do get that. if you can look past the bad stuff and still love the good stuff, that's your prerogative; everybody does that to some extent or another with their team. yes, Lucas Leiva is adorable. the academy kids are cute. Steven Gerrard's life is a beautiful tragedy. but none of that will ever make up for the utter bullshit that has come out of that club this season to me, so I'm sorry, but I hope they never win again.

Comments

[meretricula.livejournal.com]

I totally get you and I'm not saying anyone should stop being a Liverpool supporter, dude. I, personally, have reached the point where "reasons to be happy when Liverpool wins" are outweighed by "reasons to be pissed when Liverpool wins". it's not a very precise metric. XD and I was never much of a Liverpool fan so it's easy for me to say, obvs.

I know I come at football fandom from a weird angle compared to most people because for me, the team is the team is the team, and the club is mostly this nebulous ~thing that you sort of have to grow into. look, I wasn't around for the shit years, I wasn't around for the first Champions League, I'm not going to pretend I was. any emotions I have about the stuff that happened to the club come through a filter of how it affects or affected my team. I care about ~Barça the club~ because my team is a manifestation of ~Barça the club~, not the other way around. in five years I'll maybe have piled up enough history to have a personal interpretation of ~my club~ but for now? my team. idk if I'm making any sense here, but. history is important inasmuch as it affects the present, I think is what I'm saying. no more, no less. and for some people the present is influenced by all the past presents that they've lived through, but I've got... what, a year and a half, two years. which is a lot of time in my personal life but a heartbeat in the history of football. for me, football is NOW. (and the two years preceding. and any relevant history that I have absorbed. NOT A PRECISE METRIC.)

idek, there was some runofplay piece about how you fall in love with a team and the club will forever and ever and ever be that team to you and I think that was basically what I was trying to say. but it works both ways, you know? for me, this team is Liverpool. and there's great stuff about them and not so great stuff about them and right now for me the not so great stuff is winning out, so I don't like them. in ten years maybe they'll balance it out, but I can't start ten years ago. I started two years ago. right now they are where they are.

ugh sorry for the tl;dr. feel free to ignore my ~thoughts on yaoi~

[distira.livejournal.com]

dw about tl;dr! i drunk commented you, you were under no obligation to reply in the first place XD and you know i'm always interested in what you have to say.

obviously in my inebriated state i've misinterpreted the spirit of your post- reading again now it's obvious that you aren't saying anyone should stop supporting LFC. my bad!

but it is interesting for me to talk to someone who's coming into football recently about this. i've never heard this point of view expressed, since most people at least in the lj-based online community try to hide that they're new or adopt a history immediately and try to make it their own ASAP. (which, on a whole other tanget, is entirely because of the ridiculous "you aren't a real fan if you're a new fan" bullshit going around _fb.) 'cause for me, the club is first and it is the biggest thing, i guess? like, there is the club, real madrid, which began for me in the mid 90s, and that's more important than the team itself, the lineup and the individual players, and its current unsavory antics. i'd be interested to scrounge up that runofplay article, at any rate, gonna look for that in a sec!

i think that's about all i got. back to writing your fic!

[meretricula.livejournal.com]

I'm probably more "footie virgin" than even most new fans, I think, because my family was never into sports and I had zero experience of being a fan of a team before. (seriously, I think my dad took me to one Red Sox game with some other parents from our church, I was bored and fell asleep, that was the end of it.) so I had no base impressions of any football club prior to my first encounter with their current manifestation i.e. the team in 2009-10. especially because I started off reading old Serie A fic, haha. but I do think the basic idea of imprinting on the first team of a club you meet is a fair assessment. (I think the runofplay piece was about Arsenal back when they were boring, boring Arsenal, if that helps.) so, like, I know you care about Zidane and Raul and idk, Redondo, and the players and values from that era, but it's hard to ask a new fan to be sincerely attached to a club's history, to players they never saw play. (I mean, I am sincerely attached to Pep as a player, but largely because I'm attached to him as a coach so his history is relevant to me. and Cruyff, and Zubi, the ones who are still around. don't give a damn about Chapi, sry2say.) kind of like... if the team is a point and the club is a curve. you need a lot more than one point to plot the curve. MATH ANALOGIES WOOHOO IT IS KIND OF LATE.

but anyway yeah the "new fans aren't real fans" thing, I have ranted about this many times before, ALL FANS WERE NEW FANS ONCE, blah blah blah. if you're happy when they win and sad when they lose, you're a fan, the trivia quiz types can fuck off.