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Heh, I don't think you're a troll. I think you're not at all worried about sharing your opinions, whatever they might be, but that doesn't necessarily translate to "troll".

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1. I don't think you're a troll.

2. cornerflag oh god no.

3. (and this is off topic but)

acchikocchi and I were talking about your incredibly amazing soul-bonding fic here and um, as you can see if you bother reading all the crazy, I'm thinking about writing a companion piece? so I was wondering if that would, first of all, be ok with you. I would obviously credit your idea, but I don't want to write something based off your ideas unless you're totally ok with it.

and if you are ok with me writing this (or hypothetically writing it, whatever) would you mind giving me some more insight on how you envision soul-bonding working in your 'verse with football, etc? if you don't want to, that's cool, I can just make shit up.

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the thing is, I really do worry a lot about sharing my opinions. I just have terminal foot-in-mouth disease. =/

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lmao, I was trying to tone it down in front of him afterward because I didn't want to be offensive and it was a continuous stream of "blah blah fucking - oh, fuck, sorry" until he finally rolled his eyes and said I shouldn't try to change.

but jesus the stuff that went down in that fandom. I had no idea. not even all CC, just the people around her were fucking awful. and there was some crazy girl who had a zillion alternate troll identities and was responsible for huge flamewars... all to become friends with Cassie Claire. it's horrifying and unnerving and I had an "oh god ANYONE COULD BE LYING ABOUT ANYTHING THIS IS THE INTERNET" moment.

hee, thank you :) ~hugs back~

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jynx.livejournal.com

lol. Exactly. Its hard to remember to censor yourself too much. I'm certainly not as crass as I was when I was 10-15 (and with good reason) but I still have my moments. Actually, a guy in class had the nerve to tell me that my men (in my story) sounded more like girls because they didn't swear enough. And that they said "seriously" and "really" too much and therefore weren't men. XD Ooooh the interestingness of language and gender, yeah?

HP is a scary fandom. ANIME is nearly almost as scary. But I don't think any fandom has ANYTHING on HP. Well. ...maybe Marvel comic fandom with their giant bullshit about Tony Stark and Steve Rogers and their damned Civil War. But, if you want the bait trolls and see them in their prime - go to 4chan. They are good for laughs. :D

And there are 4chan boards for everything. ;)

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1. oh okay then :DDD

2. ~cries into her plateful of peanut-butter chocolate-chip-cookies~ I CANNOT BELIEVE I AM STRESS-EATING OVER FANFICTION

3. OMG I WOULD BE SO PROUD :') AND YES HOLY SHIT I WILL BE DELIGHTED TO TALK ABOUT SOUL-BONDING ALL DAY LONG YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU HAVE STARTED.

ummmm basically first off no other club "officially" bonds players. (like, the medical procedure where they intentionally pair players up - nobody would ever do that. that is crazy-ass Dutch shit that gets people killed.) for the most part other clubs aren't aware that it's a possibility - there's a big plot-point in the half-written sequel that all the Barcelona players past and present have to smoke-screen for Xavi because nobody who plays for other teams (and in particular Iker) can find out why he's freaking out so badly over Iniesta not playing with him. but obviously there is some cross-over with transfers and I think Raul knew about Pep and Figo even if he never said anything.

(also Iniesta and Xavi are really unusual in that they can affect each other off the pitch and even sort of communicate telepathically. the idea is to help players play together better, not to completely invade their privacy or make them incapable of ever playing without each other. Cesc, Pique and Messi are completely fine without each other, it doesn't really affect them at all. like, Pique and Cesc knew when Leo broke his leg, but it didn't hurt them. Pep was upset about Figo leaving but it didn't make him physically sick. part of the problem for Xavi and Andres is that they actually feel whatever the other is feeling and nobody can really tell them how to deal with it or make it stop.)

that said! I was sort of toying with the idea of spontaneous bonding? like, if two people are compatible enough and spend enough time together, they will bond even without medical assistance. (this is possibly why Xavi and Iniesta bonded so tightly initially, that they would have done so eventually anyway. it will probably displease you to know that I was thinking about this in relation to Villa and Messi and their spontaneous strike partnership, lol.) in my handwave-y AU science talk, all the adrenaline in football matches speeds the process up, though the younger you are, the more susceptible you are, so there's two forces working against each other. you bond to someone you've been around a long time, but once you get to a certain age it probably won't take, which is why it's really only possible on a large scale at places like Barcelona or Athletic Bilbao. and the ethical issues are something that nobody really paid attention to under Cruyff, but after that there were a couple of "oh shit" moments and people started being more careful about letting teenagers make permanent bonds. (and, like, more relevant to your plot: I don't think Valencia or indeed David Villa or David Silva would be likely to recognize that they were bonded until after Villa transferred, but idk, I think that could be fun and interesting too, that not having Silva around makes Villa upset and possibly even a little sick and nobody knows why until Emili checks his bloodwork himself and is all "ffffffff your medical SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT THIS" and has to explain the whole concept. or else you could ignore me and make up new and exciting canon, haha. whichever!)

oh god I could rant all day. um. sorry. =/

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(Just rudely eavesdropping aloud to say that this is fabulosofantastic. I cannot wait to read soulbonding spinoff fic! and yes it is so obvious that clearly Villa is unusually compatible with Messi, and with Silva before him. Maybe he is the sensitive? We know Leo isn't. But bzuh, Villa as an undiscovered sensitive? So strange at face value, AND YET, IF EXPLORED...)

(Good luck with cornerflag! And, in the indeterminate future, with Spain NT Huge Coverup sequel! squeeee....)

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As someone who like, either keeps her mouth shut unless she's in chat or so worked up that it ends up in like ~5,000 word essays on Livejournal (just look at my last post!) I totally feel you there.

But generally, I think if you're being honest and not disrespectful, then that's fine. People disagree, that's how we have discussions in the first place.

And I had to laugh at your earlier comment about Cassie Claire--I read the entry about whatshername, Miss Scribe? And Cassie Claire and oh my God, HP fandom, thank fuck I stayed on the fringes when I was just a bb!fangirl and stuck to writing crappy fic and reading less-crappy fic, because I'm fairly sure it would have WARPED MY HEAD.

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So sorry to butt in here, but this backstory is FASCINATING, YO. May I ask, was what Xavi and Iniesta did the full-on medical procedure you're talking about or what?

And I like the idea of Villa developing all these spontaneous bonds with other people, lololol. (I personally kind of love the idea of him making these bonds with more than one person--Silva, Torres, Reina, all to various degrees, and it being the real explanation for how moody-tetchy he can get on occasion, and nobody figures it out until he comes to Barcelona and bonds with Messi.)

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Sorry to intrude here (particularly as anon), but what you said about Villa! It would be amazing to read, that. Villa with his tough-seeming exterior being extremely sensitive :)

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don't worry about intruding! (and you don't have to be anon, we're friendly types, I promise, but if you're more comfortable that way don't worry about it :D)

I am also super-psyched for this sensitive Villa concept! I admit I was originally thinking of Leo as a late-blooming sensitive - he wasn't at all when he was young, and now he's starting to be much more so as he gets older, which is completely bewildering to everyone since that's not the way it's supposed to work - but Villa as the undiscovered sensitive is amazing. and he keeps half-forming bonds and then his potential bondmates keep leaving and he doesn't understand why this makes him feel so awful because nobody knows enough to tell him what's happening except Pepe and Pepe couldn't because he's not a Barcelona player and so Villa is grumpy all the time. <333

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mardia - yeah, the full medical procedure is just some weird blood transfusion with added chemical things. ~handwave~ it's not actually very complicated because they only do it with people who are compatible anyway.)

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Not gonna lie, I kind of love the idea of David Villa as the sensitive one, even if it would mean a shit-ton of research into the Valencia team and David Silva. I love the idea of him forming this tentative bond with Fernando and Pepe circa Euro 2008 and being all happy and sunshiny, and then the Euros are over and he's miserable once more, and then he has to leave Silva and Valencia and it is just the WORST.

Except then there's Leo and Barcelona, and David doesn't know why Pepe's relieved to see him go to Barca, and then Emil the physio starts ~facepalming~ all over the place before he sits David down and explains a few things.

...oh shit. Okay, you're gonna be the one to write this, RIGHT? BECAUSE I CAN'T, OKAY?

(yeah, that's what I figured--haha, would I love to be a fly on the wall the day that Iker figures it out.)

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SILVA IS SO CUTE YOU WILL LOVE HIM

uh. I mean. yes. oh, man, now I'm afraid I will end up writing something vaguely about this, and ~headdesk~ because I honestly don't know that much about Silva's past either (except that apparently his BFF is Alexis Ruano, now of Sevilla, idek, Valencia, man, I like them but they are complicated and a mess). Pepe, Fernando and DVilla actually go all the way back to the youth teams, that's why they're so tight! I do wish more people would write about Villa and Fernando being friends instead of hating each other. I'm pretty sure they don't. =/

(haha oh dear. I have actually written this part already. basically Xavi has a psychotic break after Spain gets knocked out of the World Cup and Andres has to calm him down by sleeping with him [literally sleeping, don't go there] and Iker understandably misinterprets this to mean that Xavi's big secret that he's not telling Iker is that he's gay and dating Andres. ironically this is not true at the time, or at least not the second part, but it ends up being true later.)

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we all just have a lot of ~feelings! I always feel like sports fandom must be extra-wanky because we all support different teams or players, but then I realize that we don't actually have ship wars. so we're doing pretty well.

oh god, no kidding. at least I wasn't wading into those waters on my own. all my circle of RL friends got into HP fanfic at the same time. I might have gotten to slash earliest, though. ~ponders~ but I totally remember reading the Draco series as a group experience. I am so glad that I wasn't actively participating in fandom much yet. wankiest fandom ever to wank, I think...

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dialogue is definitely one of the most interesting parts of writing to me! there are so many factors. though I know even in English some things really are gender markers in speech... apologizing is a very female trait, for instance. =/ there have been linguistic studies, I think. might be fun to investigate at some point.

I don't think I'm advanced enough in Internet Studies to brave 4chan. that's a level of trollery I'm just not prepared for. XD

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hee! I knowwwww, now I'm very excited! sensitive Villa ♥♥♥

thank you! :)

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jynx.livejournal.com

XD I...love 4chan. It's a great way to waste time. And to laugh at people. And a lot of boards aren't that bad. Some have bad reps because people are stupid sometimes on certain boards but.

I should look up the linguistic study, esp since I mostly write men!

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God, look at me, I'm already crushing on Arsenal players, I have a soft spot for Iker and Xabi on RM, and with the way everybody else talks about this dude, I know good and well I'll be incapable of resisting Silva's force field of cute. FFFFF. (At least I don't like any Man Utd players?)

Seriously, we need more primers in footie fandom, for serious. (Also, I know very little about Valencia other than one or two articles, but is it really true they haven't renewed Unai's contract yet? WTF.)

!!! Oh man, POOR XAVI. And hah, Iker, wrong even when he's eventually proven right. I am kind of loving the idea of suspicious!Iker eventually coming to the totally wrong conclusion. Please oh please tell me there's a super awkward conversation where Iker tries to tell his BFF that it's okay if he's dating Andres, really.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH! also for this incredible explanation, which actually really awesome-ly works with my idea?

basically, the manager of Valencia in 2007 was Ronald Koeman who played for the Barca dream team with Pep et al, and was also Dutch, and later went on to be an assistant manger at Barca for brief time. when he was at Valencia (imo) he really really fucked over the club in a lot of ways. anyway, he'd obviously have an understanding of what bonding is. but because he's a total fucking douchebag, he'd have no compunctions about doing borderline unethical stuff. because of that, I was considering having him be the one who bonded DV and DS, but in a very sketchy and unsafe kind of way. which possibly they wouldn't even be aware of - ie, he was just like "do this, it'll be great for the team!" without explaining. and then got fired before anyone really knew what happened. so the Barca medical team easily could have been the first people to really properly explain to DV what was up.

(also Iniesta and Xavi are really unusual in that they can affect each other off the pitch and even sort of communicate telepathically.

I figured their bond wasn't the norm. but I would be very remiss in not giving DV and DS an equally powerful source of psychic connection. I'm sure you understand. :)

in relation to Villa and Messi and their spontaneous strike partnership

I won't hold that against you. much.

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just butting in but if you ever want Valencia info (anyone!) feel free to hit me up, I've been a fan of the club for a long long time. and I'd be happy to walk you through some of their crazy history, if you ever want.

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tinuvielchild.livejournal.com

A good search string for such linguistic studies (and there have been more than a couple) is "gender-linked language effect".

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Um, I might actually hit you up on that, because I'm fairly convinced that if I could only get D.Villa's history before coming to Barcelona, I'd be writing that dude, like, ALL THE TIME. Like, who was he friends with at Valencia, what was his relationship w/ the team (obviously good, if he's visiting the club and such on days off), and really, wtf was the deal with him and Raul?

(Actually, and this is a question I've always meant to ask at large, but I've heard talk of how Raul was shittily treated by Real Madrid/Perez, and does anybody have details on this?)

hahaha, sorry for dumping all these questions on you, I just haven't been able to find anything but vague talk about them.

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when he was at Valencia (imo) he really really fucked over the club in a lot of ways.

Ooooh. Was this the year they won the Copa del Rey, may I ask? I remember reading an article (probably by Sid Lowe, heh, I should look that up) about how the club was going absolutely INSANE that year, and not even winning a trophy could fix it.

But man, that is a GREAT idea for a story. Oh man, poor Villa and Silva.

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